the passing of years to ascertain from his relatives whether they know where he is?
JACKIE: Oh, definitely. My husband’s family and I were very close. We still are in contact.
ATTORNEY: Now, I understand his mother has died since he disappeared.
JACKIE: That’s right. She died two years ago. And his father also is dead now.
ATTORNEY: To your knowledge, had he ever communicated with them after he disappeared?
JACKIE: No.
ATTORNEY: Now, he had brothers and sisters, did he not?
JACKIE: Yes, he did; two brothers and two sisters.
ATTORNEY: Now, have you been in touch with them through the years?
JACKIE: Yes, I have.
ATTORNEY: Have they ever indicated whether they have heard from him?
JACKIE: They’ve never heard from him.
ATTORNEY: Now, following his disappearance, did you apply for social security benefits?
JACKIE: Yes, I did. I put in a prior claim.
ATTORNEY: And what has happened on that?
JACKIE: Nothing.
ATTORNEY: Nothing?
JACKIE: They denied it.
ATTORNEY: They denied it?
JACKIE: Yes.
ATTORNEY: Did they indicate why?
JACKIE: I don’t—
ATTORNEY: Maybe you don’t know.
JACKIE: I really don’t know why. It just said denied, you know.
ATTORNEY: Now, at the time your husband died or disappeared, whatever happened, did he have life insurance policies other than the two John Hancock policies we’re talking about in this case?
JACKIE: Yes, he had an equitable policy.
ATTORNEY: How large was that policy?
JACKIE: That was a $10,000 base policy.
ATTORNEY: Did it have other sums due on it?
JACKIE: Yes, it did. It had provisions for college educations for the children and for retirement and that sort of thing.
ATTORNEY: Now, did you apply to have that policy paid off?
JACKIE: Yes, I did.
ATTORNEY: And what happened on that?
JACKIE: They paid it.
ATTORNEY: Now, they paid you $10,000?
JACKIE: No, they didn’t. Mr. Miles and I settled out of court for $7,500.
ATTORNEY: There was a case filed, then, to collect that policy?
JACKIE: That’s right.
ATTORNEY: And did they pay any benefits to the children that you spoke of, college benefits?
JACKIE: No, they paid none of those benefits.
ATTORNEY: Now, you are familiar, are you not, that one of the two John Hancock policies was connected and resulted from, your husband’s employment at the store he was working at?
JACKIE: Yes, I understand that.
ATTORNEY: Now, do you know when your—do you understand that, to collect the life insurance policy, someone has to be established to have died?
JACKIE: I understand that.
ATTORNEY: Now, you’re also familiar, are you not, that, through your attorney, a proceeding has been held in the probate court her in this county to determine your husband is no longer living?
JACKIE: That’s true. I understand.
ATTORNEY: Were you present at those hearings?
JACKIE: Yes, I was.
ATTORNEY: Did you testify at those hearings?
JACKIE: Yes, I did.
ATTORNEY: Did you indicate to the court as to when your husband died?
JACKIE: Yes, I did. We assumed that he died on the day that he left. That’s the legalities, I guess.
ATTORNEY: Well, now, tell us, please, upon what basis you made the statement that your husband died on the day that he left, the 29th of October, 1969.
JACKIE: I’m assuming that because no one ever heard or saw or had any contact with him from that time on, none of his family or none of his friends.
ATTORNEY: But, other than an assumption, because he has not been located or heard from, you have no facts to—
JACKIE: I haven’t got a body, if that’s what you mean.
ATTORNEY: You haven’t got a body?
JACKIE: That’s right.
ATTORNEY: You’ve had no information from third parties that they know that he’s gone?
JACKIE: No.
ATTORNEY: So that basically do I—and I’m trying not to put words in your mouth. Do I understand that what you’re saying is, because he has been gone now some ten years, nearly ten years that it is your conclusion that he died as of when he disappeared?
JACKIE: