working within the country, which ultimately will be the thing to effect change.
GONZÃLEZ BERMEJO : A little while ago I saw that a journalist had asked you which Latin American country you thought was most likely to have revolution in its future, and, I imagine to the journalistâs surprise, you said Chile.
GARCÃA MÃRQUEZ : Well, after whatâs happened, it has the most organized, radicalized popular workersâ movement, it has enormous international support and sympathy, and it has ever more unity on the left. Which other Latin American country has all that?
GONZÃLEZ BERMEJO : Itâs almost a year and a half since the coup in Chile. What has the junta done?
GARCÃA MÃRQUEZ : Taken power and repressed the opposition. Thatâs all, apart from increasing inflation by two thousand percent and spending $500 million on weapons.
GONZÃLEZ BERMEJO : It seems obvious that theyâre getting more isolated all the time.
GARCÃA MÃRQUEZ : More lonely all the time. Something fundamental is happening, which I mentioned in the telegram I sent to the Chilean military on the day of the coup, and thatâs that âthe Chilean people will never allow themselves to be governed by a gang of criminals on the payroll of North American imperialism.â
GONZÃLEZ BERMEJO : Okay, letâs talk about that telegram.
GARCÃA MÃRQUEZ : When I wrote it, in Bogotá, at eight oâclock at night, as soon as I found out about Allendeâs death, some friends told me it read like something from a childrenâs book; it wasnât my fault that the situation was like something from a childrenâs book. And I wanted to write it before my fury subsided; as you can see, a year has gone by and my fury still hasnât subsided.
GONZÃLEZ BERMEJO : Régis Debray told a Mexican journalist, not long ago, that he might not know whatâs to be done in Latin America, but that he does know what should not be done on the battlefield. Do you feel the same way? What are the things that must not be done?
GARCÃA MÃRQUEZ : One of the main causes of division in the Latin American left has been the eternal debate about the means of struggle. And the other is that some on the left align themselves with the Soviet Union and others with China.Since these are causes of division, we must be very careful with them.
Choosing the means of struggle canât be done mechanically or in advance; what happens in advance is that the revolutionary movements that emerge in every country as cultural as well as political entities gain political strength.
The conditions themselves will dictate the best forms of struggle, and thereâs no reason they should be the same in every country. I want to get to the point where Cheâs failure in Bolivia isnât interpreted as the fundamental failure of armed struggle, and where the failure of the Unidad Popular in Chile isnât interpreted as the failure of the electoral route.
GONZÃLEZ BERMEJO : What about that other cause of division?
GARCÃA MÃRQUEZ : The answer seems to me to be that it shouldnât matter to revolutionary movements who supports one and who supports the other; that they neednât concern themselves with other countries disagreeing with them. Thatâs nothing but a remnant of the old colonial mentality; the one that says weâre nobody unless we have a mother country. And this way of thinking isnât the same as opposing international solidarity; not at all. It just means getting rid of the fear of the catechism.
GONZÃLEZ BERMEJO : In another interview you hinted at something about revolution and how to start it.
GARCÃA MÃRQUEZ : I donât know who the hell it is thatâsended up convincing usâthe people who want to start a revolutionâto accept the idea that revolution is apocalyptic, catastrophic, and bloody. We need to grasp once and for all that itâs counterrevolution