once again to agree.
âWe havenât finished the process, so Iâm afraid I canât promise anyone a spot at this point,â Kathryn says. âBut Iâm pleased to hear that you are committed. Thatâs extremely important.â She smiles.
âKathryn is very new to this, and wisely cautious. I think youâll find her a good group leader.â
âI can sense that from some of her questions. I look forward to beginning.â Gail stands, shakes OâReillyâs hand, and leaves. Kathryn feels dismissed.
âIâd like to talk for a few moments about your need to contradict me,â OâReilly states.
âI donât think I contradicted you. I was only telling Gail we havenât finished the process.â
âThis was our last interview, and I feel adamant that Gail should be a member of the group.â
Kathryn collects her thoughts. âIt could be because Iâm relatively new to this that Iâm just not convinced at the moment that Gail would be a good fit.â
âShe has experience. Just think what sort of knowledge, from a legal perspective, she could bring.â
âI donât know that weâll need legal advice.â
âWith some of the situations that these women are in, of course you will. Weâve already interviewed candidates whose partners have had trouble with the law.â
âBut would it be fair to put Gail in a position to be a legal advisor?â
âNo, of course you wouldnât do something like that. Iâm merely saying she has a lot of wisdom, and I think you might find her a good balance to some of the other members.â
Kathryn nods. âI understand, but ⦠well ⦠in all honesty, I found something about her a little arrogant. Perhaps itâs a way to avoid her pain, but I think it may deter others from opening up.â
âShe is knowledgeable and committed. That is different from arrogant. And I believe it will be one of your challenges to get all these women to reveal their pain. That is a part of the process.â
Kathryn closes her journal. âI will go through all my notes and e-mail you the seven people I think would be best suited for the group.â
âCasting a group is much more difficult than reading oneâs notes and coming up with names. Weâve been interviewing for six weeksâitâs hardly wise to rush the next step. And you will not have seven. I was thinking four would be good for you, considering you donât have much experience with groups. And Gail will be one of them. She has age and insight.â
And power, Kathryn thinks. âIs choosing the members my decision or yours?â She looks directly into OâReillyâs eyes.
âI am your supervisor. So it is up to both of us.â
âIn the spirit of collaboration, then, I think four is too few.â
OâReilly glances at her watch. âI have an appointment with the dean of graduate studies,â she says.
âIâd like to call the women next week.â
OâReilly grabs her bag and coat. âYou can have five members at the most, and one of them must be Gail.â
âI think this warrants more discussion.â Kathryn tucks her notebook into her briefcase and stands.
OâReilly is at the door. âNo. Five will be good, and except for Gail, you decide who to include.â
As Kathryn makes her way down the hall, she notes that Gail was the only one who didnât cry. Outside, the cold air feels refreshing, liberating. She hikes to the subway, debating silently with OâReilly. By the time she gets on the train, her thoughts have shifted to the women, to their broken lives. It will be difficult to choose. She will need to research best practices for smaller groups. Earlier today she had a different group in mind, but now as she begins to visualize where the women will sit and the questions sheâll ask, she feels